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In the wake of trauma, we often turn to stories. We tell them to remember, to make sense of what has happened, to connect with others, and to preserve what might otherwise be lost. But is storytelling enough? Can narrative alone help us process grief, suffering, and inherited wounds, or does healing require something more?
In the week following Kristallnacht, Rabbi David Ingber sits down with renowned psychiatrist, educator, and author Michelle Friedman, author of Divine Corners, for a thoughtful exploration of trauma, memory, and meaning-making. Drawing on her clinical experience and personal reflections as the daughter of Holocaust survivors, Friedman examines the role stories play in shaping identity, transmitting memory across generations, and helping individuals and communities navigate painful histories. Joining them is Eva Fogelman, licensed psychologist, author and filmmaker. A resident of Manhattan’s Upper West Side, she is also a pioneer in developing groups for the children and grandchildren of Holocaust survivors — generations who are living with the legacy and psychological impact of their inherited trauma.
What can stories reveal that science cannot? What experiences resist language altogether? And how do ritual, relationships, spirituality, and community help carry us where words alone cannot? At a moment when questions of memory, resilience, and inherited trauma remain deeply relevant, this conversation invites us to reflect on the stories we tell, the stories we inherit, and the stories that continue to shape who we become.
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Michelle Friedman is a psychiatrist, psychoanalyst, and teacher whose life and work explore the art of listening and the resilience of the human spirit. Raised on a chicken farm in the Catskills by Holocaust survivor parents, she became a healer devoted to helping others find meaning and repair. A graduate of Barnard College, NYU School of Medicine, and the Columbia University Psychoanalytic Center, she holds the Sharon and Steven Lieberman Chair in Pastoral Counseling at Yeshivat Chovevei Torah and is also an Associate Professor of Clinical Psychiatry at the Icahn School of Medicine at Mount Sinai Hospital. She maintains a private practice in Manhattan where she lives with her husband.
Eva Fogelman is a licensed psychologist, author and filmmaker. She is also a pioneer in developing groups for the children and grandchildren of Holocaust survivors — generations who are living with the legacy and psychological impact of their inherited trauma. Eva co-founded and co-directed the first training program for clinicians to study Psychotherapy with Generations of the Holocaust and Related Traumas, Training Institute for Mental Health, New York.
Rabbi David A. Ingber is Senior Director for Jewish Life and Senior Director of the Bronfman Center at 92NY. A nationally recognized Jewish leader, educator, and teacher of Jewish spirituality, he is the founding rabbi of Romemu, the largest Jewish Renewal synagogue in the United States.
Ordained by Rabbi Zalman Schachter Shalomi, founder of the Jewish Renewal movement, Rabbi Ingber founded Romemu in New York City in 2006 and later established Romemu Yeshiva, the first fully egalitarian yeshiva dedicated to mystical and meditative Jewish learning and practice.
His approach to Torah, Jewish mysticism, prayer, and spirituality is informed by a broad range of Jewish traditions, philosophy, psychology, and religious thought. Rabbi Ingber has taught and lectured internationally and serves on the faculties of the Wexner Heritage Program and the Shalom Hartman Institute of North America and Israel. He was also an AJWS Global Justice Fellow.
Named by Newsweek as one of the 50 most influential rabbis in the United States and by The Forward as one of America's 50 most notable Jews, Rabbi Ingber is widely recognized for his thoughtful, inclusive approach to Jewish learning. He lives in Manhattan with his wife, Ariel, and their three children.
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